Category: News and Views
A teenager identified only as Jeff went on the rampage at his Minnesota school,killing a guard,a teacher and 5 terrified classmates.He then turned the gun on himself after a gun battle with police.... 15 people were injured in the incident..the reason for the shooting is unclear but the guns were apparently owned by the killer's grandfather. The killer shot his grandparents at their home before gunning down 7 people at his Minnesota school on an Indian reserve... you can bet young Jeff was taught to handle the guns responsibly...
Yes, I saw that on the news this morning like just before I was heading out the door. That's terrible! The news reporter said that this was the worst school shooting since Columbine in 1999. It kind of makes you think. I was so like outraged by this when I heard it that I decided to write a poem about it. I started writing it this morning during Geometry, but I haven't gotten very far. I've only written about five lines, and there not very good, but whenever I get it finished, I'll be sure to post it on the Zone.
Yes, I saw that on the news this morning like just before I was heading out the door. That's terrible! The news reporter said that this was the worst school shooting since Columbine in 1999. It kind of makes you think. I was so like outraged by this when I heard it that I decided to write a poem about it. I started writing it this morning during Geometry, but I haven't gotten very far. I've only written about five lines, and there not very good, but whenever I get it finished, I'll be sure to post it on the Zone.
Guns don't kill people, people do. Even if he was taught to use a gun responsibly doesn't mean he chose to, or didn't use his knowledge to his benifit. I was taught to use a gun properly, and I certainly am not going to shoot someone just because, I'd have to be desperate to protect me and mine, and yes, I was taught as a young child; Matter of fact, I was probably 5 or 6 when I started learning. I'm not the acception, I know many people who are the same way, but unfortunately the world only hears about the tragedies. After all, what is a news story about people who know, understand and use guns properly? "Boring" according what people want to read about...
And of course, when I heard some news interview with somebody who knew him, they said he was quiet, kind of a loner, and didn't have many friends. Don't they always say that aboue anyone who does these kinds of things? Does that mean I'm just going to up and shoot people one day? Not likely, I'm a lousy shot. LOL!
There's no need for anyone to be using guns except in the army, police and for killing animals and defending your property if it's attacked.
Hmm it's ok, I mean if someone blind went this crazy he'd have to walk armed into the class room and fire at random or ask people to plase scream or shout out in order to help with the aiming .. now that would be interesting.
This's so sad. It happened just 200 miles away from me. I'm on break, but I wonder if it will affect us. In a way, I hope it does. If I hear one other student in my school say "I don't care," I will be very very sad!
Its a tragedy and yet again I fear another young lad in trouble, has been pushed to extremes, in order to be noticed ...we can only speculate at why he felt the need to carry out such a senseless attack on innocent people.
however 1 thing is for sure America must! rethink its policy on gun ownership, because sadly, this will certainly not be the last school shooting
that will never happen though - it can't happen without constitutional change. after all americans have the right to bear arms.
...I can't believe the narrow
mindedness of some people.
....In Turkey a 2yr old Glasgow boy Alistair Grimasson was shot through the heart and killed, by a gunman opening fire in crowded restuarant ...in Turkey guns are legal Alistair's parents courageously fought for several years to change the laws and succeeded,..they also saw their son's killer jailed for over 30 yrs! ...the American's may have the right to carry guns, but that does NOT mean, the laws cannot be altered or tightened up, to prevent this kind of tragedy re-occuring because it will!..........
yes of course the law can be changed. and when i said the americans have the right to bear arms I should have perhaps put that in quotations. That is not my personal view. I too think that the laws should be changed not only to prevent young teens from getting their hands on guns, but older people as well such as the washington sniper who killed several people last year... it's not only in america where guns are legal, however America hasthe biggest problem with guns and America also is the country with the "we have the right to bear arms" attitude.
ohh we'er backtracking now,you really should apply for a job in the tory party.... only when the underlying problems and reasons, for these killings, are addressed will the killing end the majority of american teenagers are disturbed,deeply insecure,terribly unhappy and drugged up on pills to help them cope, while the anger and disillusionment grows worse by the day.They feel abandoned and ignored by a government ruled by an imbecile.
..To Americans the gun has become a status symbol and a symbol of macho pride...And unfortunately whatever america has, we must have, it is only a matter of time until a British teenager takes a loaded gun to school, with the sole intention of emptying the magazine into his or her, classmates...the rules must change NOW!..on both sides of the Atlantic.
I think there are serious problems within the american teenage population yes, but to say that the majority of american teenagers are deeply disturbed is somewhat extreme - I'm sure they're not all the way they appear on ricky lake or whatever american chatshows you watch ..
Ricki Lake is a set up dear its obvious from the guests but in saying that there have been some Goth teenagers on there who have shown considerable musical and academic talent and good on them...
...however a disturbing prog on discovery health not too long ago highlighted the problem of 2 teenagers who were finding social situations a chore...they were prescribed Seroxat to help them cope with their anxiety and so on...this drug has been responsible for catastrophic changes in behaviour, including suicidal behaviour, and uncontrollable outburts of violence...
to think that a doctor prefers to prescribe a drug as powerful as Seroxat, without a suitable examination of the child's mental state,or advice from a child psychiatrist, astounds me...it's easier to dole out drugs than deal with these children's underlying problems,america is sitting on a time bomb..if parents prefer to drug their children, than spend adequate time helping them to cope, something is fundamentally wrong ...
you're absolutely right and unfortunately the problem is not isolated to the US, and is also not unique to teenagers. How many toddlers for instance are prescribed ritallin and similar such drugs because they are deemed to be suffering from ADHD? when 9 times out of 10 the problem is most likely that they're just energetic and the parents don't know how to cope. It's a sad fact that drugs are seen as the answer all too often, after all it takes two minutes to write out a prescription, how long, and how many resources, does it take to help someone to help their child.
Yes exactly I'm glad we eventually reached a consensus instead of shooting insults at each other....parents want the quick fix, because many of them simply lack the time and patience, for the sheer hard work of raising a child...they underestimate how demanding a child can be ...only this morning I was beaten up by Louis and Alasdair, when we were playing...but I would never think of drugging the little monsters to improve their behaviour......
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very often parents cannot get the help they need, parents of Autistic children, are often ignored completely, due to the expense and time involved in helping these children..the local authority which is supposed to provide education and care ect dont want to know and behave as if these children dont exist...
My heart goes out to anyone with a child who is autistic. a neighbour of mine has an autistic child and she gets no help what so ever. and this child is completely out of control, agressive, violent ... and no one wil give her any support. And the sad fact of the matter is, that when people see her out with him, they just assume he's a little horror whereas he actually has serious problems ... in those situations, while I think there are more pro active treatments, I can quite understand why a mother might feel drugs were the only answer. for a toddler who is purely over active though it's just a matter of patience.
absolutely I will admit to having no patience with these children their behaviour drives me crazy...the problem with Autism is purely 1 of cost to the local authority,they simply cannot afford to help every autistic child, and the worst are left to deteriorate...also they have a very negative attitude towards these children the so called experts surmise that they cannot and will not, improve so what's the point in spending the money...you could say that about a child with downs or cp, but miracles do happen...
A little more information on the shooting... Everyone here seems to believe that police, military and so on should be the only people permitted to have guns. Well, the young boy's grandfather was the chief of police in Redlake. Secondly, it should be noted that the boy's mother is in a nursing home do to a car accident that she had, and his father committed suicide 2 or 3 years ago. From what I remember in my psychology classes the child of an individual who committed suicide is more likely to attempt suicide, and maybe violence, as apposed to someone who has never so directly been introduced to such actions. Now, knowing this, why wasn't the boy being more closely monitored? Why wasn't he recieving counceling? Now say all countries go to only allowing military, police and other such authorities to cary arms. Has anyone thought about the corrupt people who walk in these professions? Now, we have a large black market for weapons to the criminals because police officer A and general B can get rich off of running them; or should I say richer in some circumstances. We have laws that are suppose to prevent a criminal from getting guns, but have they worked? However, back to this spacific situation; have the laws worked in this case? Would the laws you propose work in this situation? No, because all he had to do was take his grandfather's gun; who is a police officer.
oh yeh wc, it's as easy as that, all he needed to do, is take his grandfather's gun ... but see if the laws had been made properly, that gun should have been kept in a secure place, locked away. in this country, if you own a gun, and bearing in mind that now lots of guns are illegal, but if you own a gun such as a shot gun, it has to be kept in a secure strongbox, locked away. so no, sadly that argument does not hold up, and yes, only the military and police should have guns.
I wasn't saying take his grandfather's gun. *sigh* I was pointing out that even though his grandfather was a police officer, and in your eyes do to that had the right to have a gun, it still happened.
About autism, the local services shouldn't invest in anyone who is autistic to such a degree that they'll never be able to fully interact safely with society who'll always need someone to look after them. Instead local authorities should spend their money on people who will eventually be able to give back to society. These autistic people should be assessed to find out how they can conribute to society, and if their behaviour is such that they may pose a risk to the safety of innocent civilians. The outcome of the assessment should determine what happens to the person who was assessed. The positives of this are that More people who deserve the help of local authorities will get it and therefore be able to better themselves and people are able to walk their street knowing they won't be attacked by their aggressive autistic neighbour. If an autistic person attacks someone, they shouldn't be allowed to use their disease as justification and should be punnished in a way which will deter them from attacking people in the future. It annoys me that some people want equality but don't want like it when they're treated equally.
Well, what this boils down to in practice is that kids in the U.S. who are feeling disturbed or a little, well not to put to fine pint on it "psycho" have a very easy access to all kinds of weapons due to the country's very lax policy on gun control and ownership, and with such weapons you can do massive damage. With a knife or a similar instrument you would get away with killing a person or two but not an entire class room in 15 seconds. Due to the existing laws guns are a part of a large percentage of American households and the more households you have the more risk that one of them does not take proper care of the guns. Here guns are even sold to Younger people lving alone with minimum or no training and buying a gun second hand is aas easy as 1 2 3 .. I've been offered an AK-47 automatic gun in Detroit Mi and, heck, I'm blind, couldn't even use it.
I think this is wrong, I think the gun manufactuers have sponsorred politicians to make sure their production is availible and easy to obtain and I feel this industry has a lot to answer for, at lesat if peope feel that the tobaco industry is responsible for the deaths of smokers (as recent settlement law suits amply demonstrate).
Whatever the right of the peole is, this esay access to guns causes these types of crime to happen in the U.S. .. in Europe such a school massacre is unheard of, correct me if I am wrong, and very limited number of households in Europe actually own a gun.
Whereas perhaps this particular tragedy could not have been revented with the imposing of stricter laws a lot of other school violence and murders could be prevented.
This simply highlights the problem of the lax law on gun ownership.
cheers
-B
I think some of it is the fact that as teens, we can be cruel to each other. Let's face it, we're mean sometimes. Not just with fists, but words too.
Another thing is that we tend to not want to take responsibility. For example, if we're feeling bad, it's because someone else did something. I'm not saying that's not ligitimate, but I am saying that we need to realize we can change some things. If someone ticks me off, I can figure out why and try to resolve it. If I'm feeling depressed, there may be triggers I can deal with. I have to go, but I will try to explain more later. I realize this isn't very clear.
Sorry
I know a way of buying a gun for free. Basically you get the gun and ask to have a look and to try before you buy. Then you shoot all the people who work for the store and run off with the gun. You've got the gun, and you've still got your money.
Wasn't the kid who did it, some kind of devil worshipper or something?
Im sorry for that boy, and I guess the problem's not about guns (as Witchcraft said, I can know how to handle a gun but not for this I'll kill someone!), but its in teens themselves. Teens r bad, selfish and tend to tease u if ur different, maybe cuz u dont care just about sport but u like to write, or ur quiet and u'd rather stay alone than waste time to do stupid games. Thats y sometimes someone can't stand being bullied. Take a minute and wonder y all the teens who do something like that r shy and quiet. Its not a case. If u know who Andy Williams is, he's the guy who made me understand this, and now I'd die to change this fuckin world.
Clara
We talked about that in advisory. My teacher took a small vote of our advisory class of 32 students. He asked "if you wanted a gun, could you get one by the end of next month?" everyone raised there hand. He then asked "if you wanted a gun could you get one by tomorrow afternoon?" this time, 28 out of 32 students raised there hands. The final question was "if you wanted a gun, you know exactly who to go to." This time, 29 out of 32 students raised there hand. This is a little scarey isn't it?
Yeah, that's very scary! And I'm not sure that regulations would help. Maybe they would, maybe the wouldn't.
According to a news report I read, they interviewed somebody who knew him, and they said for one thing that he admired Hitler, plus he drew all these comics with people shooting each other. He was also a fan of zombie movies. I don't think the zombie movie thing is going to send every teenager over the edge, but I would think the whole Hitler admiration thing is a big warning sign.
Definitely. You just have to wonder what could have been done then do it for someone else.
Jeff Weesz was an admirer of Hitler who regularly drew skeletons on his work books..so did I?....and as I said american families are happier drugging their children..than spending time working with them and these children feel ignored, angry and frustrated...eventually something has to give...and this boy is a symptom of a dreadful epidemic sweeping america.
....he was clearly deeply disturbed and the term Psycho is indicative of the ignorant attitude towards the mentally ill,how can any child feeling as he did, hope to be understood while that childish uncaring attitude exists...
Well, if you can't use the word psycho for a teenage kid that kills his family, class mates and then himself I don't know when the word is applicable and I also have very little sympathy for someone like that, however disturbed they are. Sure, people who are depressed and have anxiety attacks or what have you should get all the help they deserve and also people who are seriously trying to get over their mental problems, those who choose to solve them by grabbing a gun and harm their family and friends, well, I have no sympathy for them and use the word psycho quite freely in that context.
Sometimes one has to take responsibility for one's actions you can't always blame it on others, the family, the society etc .. Americans do that excessively, everyone who is able to go to school knows the difference between right and wrong. And, in any case the big difference hre is the easy access to weapons this guy had and everyone in his mind set has, without which his innocent fellow class mates at least would nothave suffered from his problems.
I've seen people who use their weakness and mental issues as excuses for drinking or relying on others and even if offered help don't respond, they prefer using their problems as an excuse for continuing their trend of addiction and/or other problems and well, if one refuses help there's not much that can be done to help that person.
But as for someting being totally amiss in modern societies, yes, that's something I totally agree on. I think a lot of it has to do with the changed lifestyle of people. I now of families that actually have had kids for the tax benefits and no other incentive and in most families nowadays the parents don't have time for their kids as they are both busy with their careers and neither wants to give up work even for a year or two or work half a day to stay home and help their kid grow, listen to his/her problems and stories and make that kid feel like someone cares. They expect psychologists or schools or tv or computer games to take their place and, well, that expectation is very unfounded and it should be, once you have a kid it's your responsibility to raise him/her the best way you can and give that kid enough attention and love so that it has a chance in life, just like you need to water your plants if you expect them to grow.
Chers
-B
well thats very christian isn't it.. The boy was desperately ill plus we do not know the circumstances under which he lived its presumptious to judge the boy purely based on supposition...and that is what you have done...
Well, so any action is excusable in fact. You go on explaining how pathetic "fat" people are and how they are utterly meaningless, yet you defend those who kill their fellow class mates. At least the fat peopple use food to escape from their problems and they abuse their own bodies, you seem to claim on the boards this is inexcusable and they are pathetic, yet you defend this guy and claim we should feel sorry for him. Sorry but you are a bit hypocritical in this respect aren't you?
Can we blame any misdeed in the world on mental illness, should we feel sorry for everyone who commits crime? I don't know the answers, just throwing out the questions.
Again we are judging people again...yes the fat choose to destroy their lives because they are weak and in most cases have an addictive personality...Jeff may have inherited whatever illness or disorder caused his father to kill himself, it can and does happen, that has not been taken into account here...I despise pity for anyone,I do however want understanding and a better support system, for disturbed teenagers, who feel they have no one to turn to...
Well, you are assuming that the kid or his family felt he was disturbed. This is possible and even likely but, well, what if, in his view or that of his family, he wasn't disturbed, did he try to seek help, did he feel like he needed help? The initiative has to come from the person "suffering" I don't konw the specific circumstances in this case .. the best network in the world doesn't help if you don't seek help, and if someone else forced him into interviews etc, well, he's a free thinking individual, he can adore Nazis if he so chooses, it's only when he starts harming others where someone can come in and interupt, unfortunately in this case either the signs weren't there or they were overlooked and there is very little anyone could've done. The best way this could be prevented is to make guns less readily availible to disgruntled teenagers or people with severe mental problems (whichever it is) so that they don't take their problems out on other innocent people.
As for support, yes, we agree. I think everything humanly possible should be done to create a support network for those who have suffered trauma or feel like they need someone to talk to or feel they are becoming a danger to themselves and others.
Cheers
-B
Just because I am blind doesn't mean I can be a jerk to someone. If I hade a mental illness or disability, that's not an excuse either. I'd have to learn how to deal with it.
I'm notsaying that means overcome it, but I'd have to learn to deal with it. Whether that be therapy, medication or asking my friends to watch for certain signs. If I don't want to get better, none of that would really work.
PB, my views exactly.
What if he couldn't "deal with it" you make coping with mental distress sound like enduring a headache ..obviously you have no idea of the trauma and length of time involved in treating people who are seriously disturbed..I cant imagine many people would chose not to recover...maybe his state of mind is not an excuse, but it must be taken into account, and the fact that the killer was clearly ill, is consistantly being ignored here...
To restatte previous view, yes, if he had sought help he should have been given all the help availible to him. I may not have dealt with extreme depression or mental illness myself (nothing more than the post break up heart breaks and all that) but I've head friends that have gone through a lot, I've seen people deal with these types of things and also get from being exemplary swimmers into drug addicts in 6 month and actually bounce back. I'll be the first one to admit I can't understand completely what it feels like but we can't understand completely what anything feels like, do we feel the same feelings when we are in love for example, or does it feel different to each one of us, we'll never know because we can only judge things on our own emotional scale, we may use the same word for those feelings to identify them but we can't say that love to one is exactly love to another, but that's getting off topic.
But, regardless of all that, my point the entire time has been that no mental illness can excuse what the guy did, I don't know if he sought help, I'd be curious to know, my perception is that he did not do so. And what should've been done with him if he e.g. told his consellor he had this overwhelming urge to go out and kill a lot of people. Having that urge is not a crime now is it? You can only take actions post-crime, crime prevention is very difficult to deal with. And you may call it self righteous in every way but I have no sympathy for someone who does something like that or abuses a child or rapes a woman, just because you suffer does in no way give you the right to make others suffer. So, I gues we are really discussing two different topics here, the topic of people who are coping with distress and mental illnesses not getting eough help (and if this is true I would want to help changing that in any way I can, I mean, I could fall victim to a traumatic experience or crime or depression one day, I dealt with losing my sight completely over a short period of time and I'm happy I had a family to help me cope, without a good family I'm not sure I would've gotten the attention and training and psychological adjustment I needed), on the other hand you seem to be suggesting that such an illness is an excuse, almost a justification on going on a shooting sprea, and if this is my correct interpretation we completely disagree on it. Nothing can justify actions like these in my world.
cheers and happy Easter everyone
-Birkir
But if he were to tell a counsilor that he had an urge to kill a lot of people (not saying whether it happened, but if), wouldn't that have been a sign to either pay closer attention to him or something? I kind of understand Goblin's point on this. I wouldn't think it would give anyone an excuse to kill though, but I do agree that if someone might be having issues, in some people the anger/frustration that the person feels can build up to them doing something like killing. I don't know the specifics on this, but maybe he couldn't find someone he felt he could talk to about whatever problems he might have been having. Or maybe he was the quiet type that didn't talk to anyone much at all. I don't know.
It's that I was reading this article about this serial killer who'd been abused all his life, so that's all he knew and he killed people. He even whent thru abuse at a reform school he'd been sent to for stealing, and when he'd go to prison for his crimes. He was so indifferent about all of this that he was even happy to hurry up to the gallows to be hanged. He didin't care for nothing. (This was in the early 1900's.) This is probably a little off topic anyways, but although I would not excuse his crimes either, I could understand where he'd learned it. He did make one friend out of all this, which was actually one of the guards at one of the prisons, who didn't beat him but would just listen to him. But that was only at the prison wich he'd learned to hate. I don't know if there'd been other people like that guard, but if there were some people outside of the prison system he could trust like at home or the school, he might have been a different person.
So my point is that although some people can handle their problems well and will either have good support or by talking to someone on their own, some people either don't have that support or don't feel they can talk to anyone. Again, I'm not saying that the student's )or the serial killer's) actions were right at all, but in a way, I can understand how things could lead up to the actions they took.
Leilani
ok so where do you draw the line. I understand that societies have problems. America has problems with it's kids, so does the UK, it all stems, in my opinion, from mothers going back to work and leaving their kids in the childcare system instead of bringing them up themselves. but that's a topic for another day ... however, we can only be so understanding. Innocent people died in that school, and it doesn't matter what that kid had gone through, there is nothing in the world that can forgive those actions. if that was your child who had died in that school, and by you I'm referring to anyone, you would be saying how could that psycho do that to my child. If that child had grown up and become a pedifile instead, would you be sitting there saying ... oh he had problems, society let him down, we shouldn't be blaming him, we should be seaking to understand his problems ... like hell you would, you'd be saying he's a sicko who deserves to have certain parts of his anatomy removed for the things he has done. People have problems, and sometimes they don't get the help they deserve, or need, but that doesn't give them a licence to go out doing what the hell they like in the name of mental illness.
This is very sad ... I too heard it on the news ... and Field that's very scary about the vote in yoru class! I mean I know where I coudl get a gun conceivably but i'd never be able to geti nto it ... furthermore i never would because I can't see myself doing that. I mean I'm a very happy person most of the time. I wish this kid had had soem friends who would have helped him through.
Caitlin
SB I would not be so ignorant and reactionary
Well SB, it's only ok to be so jugemental if it were a fat kid, because then it would be a selfish and pathetic person, so we perhaps need to find out if this guy was fat or thin before we judge him.
absolutely, and if he was fat, then he was obviously just another greedy selfish american. however, he had problems though, so while there is no excuse for him being fat, we must excuse the fact that he went out and killed a load of innocent people. perfectly logical! why ever didn't I think of that!
Tinkerbell, actually you do bring up a good point but I know there are resources availible to kids who feel they have problems, Friend's type of 800 number lines e.g. and lots of organizations that you can go to if you feel that way, most schools have designated psychiatrists that could work with you. It's not like the society does not offer any choices for those who are feeling down and helpless. I had two friends who were going through really bad depression and they got a lot of help once they sought it and got over their problems in a semester or two, as far as I know all colleges certainly have their own psychiatrist and I believe the high schools do as well. So if the kid really felt he had problems and really wanted to work to get out of them he could have gone to someone and initiated the treatment.
Sadly some people have no family support and lots of drugs and hatred and drinking and beating and abuse, it's horrible and it's a universal problem sadly and I think it points to a much more complex social issues that, as SB said might have a lot ot do with people putting their work and careers before their children and expect their children to bring themselves up without guidance or parental love, this is magnified by alcohol and drug use and in the U.S. on top of that you have the easy access to fire arms for those who simply snap and can't deal with it. And I still do not feel sorry for the kid or the child molaster or the serial killer,.
Yet again some eejit namely Sugarbaby used the derogatory term psycho! hmmm I rest my case...
and yet again some peole, namely goblin, completely avoid the subject of pointing out own inconsistencies and prejudice towards some things and extreme defending of others, selective prejudice is certainly fascinating.
hmmm double standards emerging again here I see goblin only seeing what he wants to see, and having sympathy for those who he thinks is worth of it ... maybe our goblin is in fact a murderer or has murderous thoughts hence why he feels the need to defend murderers, and of course he is painfully thin, never eats unhealthily, and all his family and friends are on absolute target weights hence why he is able to put down the clinically obese ...
No I feel no need to kill I don't allow hatred to rule my life...
could have fooled me ...
and I thought that the need to go out and kill loads of innocent peopl had nothing to do with hatred, it had to do with society's lack of understanding for people's problems ... so in actual fact, you needn't hate anyone, you could just go out, pick up a gun, and shoot loads of people to get a kick out of it, but that's ok, society screwed up, you are not accountable...
and by you I don't mean you personally, I mean anyone in general ...
how childish reactionary and screwed up it is you who is consumed with hatred..for yourself, its evident in every single post...no matter what life throws at me I refuse to lower myself to hate anyone I draw a line under my frustration and move on it takes time but eventually I get there and by christ! I have been through far more than I hope you ever experience....
..I'm sick of fighting and would like to think that we could at least work towards some kind of compramise...but this is clearly unattainable as you are set on making my time here as unpleasant as possible.....I see you as a combination of Star and Freya, and lets face it they are hardly postive role models...you could do better SB but it seems you are happy to stay wrapped up safe in your hatred...remember its like cancer voracious and ultimately destructive...
how childish reactionary and screwed up it is you who is consumed with hatred..for yourself, its evident in every single post...no matter what life throws at me I refuse to lower myself to hate anyone I draw a line under my frustration and move on it takes time but eventually I get there and by christ! I have been through far more than I hope you ever experience....
..I'm sick of fighting and would like to think that we could at least work towards some kind of compramise...but this is clearly unattainable as you are set on making my time here as unpleasant as possible.....I see you as a combination of Star and Freya, and lets face it they are hardly postive role models...you could do better SB but it seems you are happy to stay wrapped up safe in your hatred...remember its like cancer voracious and ultimately destructive...
oh no Goblin you hate people for the smallest misdemenours which would mean nothing to any normal person...what is more you hate people who have been true friends and stood by you through thick and thin, you are nothing more than a pretentious liar!